Yeah. Clowning on the "implied" AP is funny. It IS different shades of the same thing Brazzers was doing twenty years ago by putting a 40yo jacked & tatted dude in suspenders and a propeller hat. You could absolutely file them under the same category if we're being pedantic, but orders of magnitude matter.
IMO, most importantly: it seems fine to share a lot of this stuff as long as you're a little savvy with it, in the spirit of "Fight Club". If you keep pushing your luck with it, you're gonna look like a weirdo to some (many). And there are very good reasons for cleaning that shit up ASAP.
IMO, most importantly: it seems fine to share a lot of this stuff as long as you're a little savvy with it, in the spirit of "Fight Club". If you keep pushing your luck with it, you're gonna look like a weirdo to some (many). And there are very good reasons for cleaning that shit up ASAP.
I actually agree with most of what you said, I didn't really expect a more introspective perspective on the situation lmao this caught me off guard.
I think the reason why fiona got so much flak and people like xev and bettie didn't was plausible deniability. For whatever reason there are large swaths of people on this app that insist that xev or bettie, who are really the premier names in the space, would NEVER do what fiona did. They unironically think that when xev is talking about being your babysitter with the camera almost to her stomach, or when bettie is talking about how you don't know your growing body yet or a bet you and your friends made in school, they're always talking about a barely legal 18yr witless "young man" that needs to either be whipped into shape or given a lesson. At that point I just think people aren't actually paying attention to the videos they're watching. It's not even just clues, some of these videos are literally crafted around you being significantly younger than the woman(usually family member) that's coaxing you into, coincidentally, always your first experience(lmao)
It also raises even more moral questions. I was always under the impression that we all knew there were major moral problems with your mother wanting to fuck you, let alone doing it in the manipulative ways bettie would do it or the infantilizing ways xev would do it(again, assuming what she was doing wasn't just straight up ap lol) Bettie literally has non con videos where she ties you, her son, down in the middle of the night and forcefully milks you. That sounds hot but we do understand that all of this is wrong...right? It's a kink that in almost all cases should be left a fantasy between either you and someone that isn't your mother, or you and an online creator. The idea of a young boy's much older family member(yes even if that boy is in his early 20s) grooming them into sex under the pretense of "education" or "punishment" will never actually be okay with me in real life between real people. I guess i'm not quite as unhinged as the rest of the people on this site because i'm not actually attracted to my own mother(not to judge lol we all have our secrets.) But this idea of saying you only like it when the older woman takes advantage of the young MAN instead of young BOY is like saying you're not a pedo, you just groom barely legal 18yr girls. Everybody would laugh and disavow the second one, but for some reason people on here think the first one is okay.
At the same time, fiona DID seem especially into the ap elements and did it with a level of investment i'm not sure you can say the others did, like i said, plausible deniability and all that, but it's all inconsistent outrage. Though if im being honest, out of all of the creators in this space, fiona is the one i would trust the least around my hypothetical young son. She sorta blew the spot up. Her ap dolls and insistent on "kiddie" everything meant people that weren't smart enough to put the pieces together in the xev or bettie videos, which now seems to be a lot of people, had to actually see a more unhinged version of what they used to watch. They sorta made an example out of fiona unfortunately.
I think the reason why fiona got so much flak and people like xev and bettie didn't was plausible deniability. For whatever reason there are large swaths of people on this app that insist that xev or bettie, who are really the premier names in the space, would NEVER do what fiona did. They unironically think that when xev is talking about being your babysitter with the camera almost to her stomach, or when bettie is talking about how you don't know your growing body yet or a bet you and your friends made in school, they're always talking about a barely legal 18yr witless "young man" that needs to either be whipped into shape or given a lesson. At that point I just think people aren't actually paying attention to the videos they're watching. It's not even just clues, some of these videos are literally crafted around you being significantly younger than the woman(usually family member) that's coaxing you into, coincidentally, always your first experience(lmao)
It also raises even more moral questions. I was always under the impression that we all knew there were major moral problems with your mother wanting to fuck you, let alone doing it in the manipulative ways bettie would do it or the infantilizing ways xev would do it(again, assuming what she was doing wasn't just straight up ap lol) Bettie literally has non con videos where she ties you, her son, down in the middle of the night and forcefully milks you. That sounds hot but we do understand that all of this is wrong...right? It's a kink that in almost all cases should be left a fantasy between either you and someone that isn't your mother, or you and an online creator. The idea of a young boy's much older family member(yes even if that boy is in his early 20s) grooming them into sex under the pretense of "education" or "punishment" will never actually be okay with me in real life between real people. I guess i'm not quite as unhinged as the rest of the people on this site because i'm not actually attracted to my own mother(not to judge lol we all have our secrets.) But this idea of saying you only like it when the older woman takes advantage of the young MAN instead of young BOY is like saying you're not a pedo, you just groom barely legal 18yr girls. Everybody would laugh and disavow the second one, but for some reason people on here think the first one is okay.
At the same time, fiona DID seem especially into the ap elements and did it with a level of investment i'm not sure you can say the others did, like i said, plausible deniability and all that, but it's all inconsistent outrage. Though if im being honest, out of all of the creators in this space, fiona is the one i would trust the least around my hypothetical young son. She sorta blew the spot up. Her ap dolls and insistent on "kiddie" everything meant people that weren't smart enough to put the pieces together in the xev or bettie videos, which now seems to be a lot of people, had to actually see a more unhinged version of what they used to watch. They sorta made an example out of fiona unfortunately.
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I have a genuine question. If its implied that the POV is under 18 yet old enough to drive a car is that considered AP?
Kind of a fun question (I am no expert). Technically in the wider kink world I gather it means being treated as if you were different age, any age, including as if you were older. But the relevant answer to your question I suppose is that anybody appearing in explicit, erotic material must be 18 or older. Therefore yeah, an AP audience insert could have a driver's license.
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Nice dissertations… don’t a LOT of people enjoy porn because they’re imagining themselves in that spot? I do anyway. A lot of men aren’t / werent mothered propoerly either, or they possibly missed that nurturing aspect but having it go a little too far with their pseudo-mom is a huge turn on. Plus the mommy kink. Hence the vast amounts of implied AP. People obviously enjoy the dynamic of regressing back to a younger space to be cared for. There is something hott af about a mommy figure doing naughty things. If they didn’t, I don’t think creators would be profiting off putting it in their videos so much. Whether it’s the creators preference or the viewers preference, it clearly sells. At the end of the day I think dudes in general just want to feel nurtured don’t you. Maybe it’s easier to get into that space when we’re thinking we’re younger. But we all miss our moms in one form or another 
About Fiona I’ve noticed she’s mentioning the older son in her films nowadays which she used to skirt around. I asked her the other day about if she missed AP and she flat out said no not at all. Said it’s triggering as hell now and it was nice money but the AP started to feel like glorifying bad ideas and, even tho it was always a fantasy that sold, that it doesn’t align with her values anymore. She doesn’t want to be seen as someone she isn’t. Especially after the Epstein stuff came out and made her feel so grossed out that people still want the AP stuff so bad; she went on a bit of a rant then about degenerate dudes and politicians.but lowkey it seems like she legit has flipped the other way. Not putting others down for making or anything it just doesn’t seem like she’s even remotely interested in that fantasy, which makes me think everyone’s accusations about who she is IRL, even back when she was making it, were flat out wrong. She did it had fun with it and that ship has sailed. I got the feeling that she might have grown out of it or something. Her views on it are way different now and far more complex than when she was just doing risky shit for us. Morals got stronger I guess.
Anyway I find it so interesting that it’s always the topic of discussion in here rather than the insane quality of her newer vids and how good those are. The ravenous one in the bikini blew my MIND. I think she actually came for real a few times in that one too which is my favorite thing. I can’t wait to get my hands on the new long one
About Fiona I’ve noticed she’s mentioning the older son in her films nowadays which she used to skirt around. I asked her the other day about if she missed AP and she flat out said no not at all. Said it’s triggering as hell now and it was nice money but the AP started to feel like glorifying bad ideas and, even tho it was always a fantasy that sold, that it doesn’t align with her values anymore. She doesn’t want to be seen as someone she isn’t. Especially after the Epstein stuff came out and made her feel so grossed out that people still want the AP stuff so bad; she went on a bit of a rant then about degenerate dudes and politicians.but lowkey it seems like she legit has flipped the other way. Not putting others down for making or anything it just doesn’t seem like she’s even remotely interested in that fantasy, which makes me think everyone’s accusations about who she is IRL, even back when she was making it, were flat out wrong. She did it had fun with it and that ship has sailed. I got the feeling that she might have grown out of it or something. Her views on it are way different now and far more complex than when she was just doing risky shit for us. Morals got stronger I guess.
Anyway I find it so interesting that it’s always the topic of discussion in here rather than the insane quality of her newer vids and how good those are. The ravenous one in the bikini blew my MIND. I think she actually came for real a few times in that one too which is my favorite thing. I can’t wait to get my hands on the new long one
I was never mentioning the AP as a bad thing. I'm an enjoyer of fiona's more extreme stuff myself and have absolutely no delusion towards thinking that my porn tendencies aren't a representation of me in one way or another lmao.
Fiona, for better or for worse(mostly for worse) sorta became the face of AP porn for a while. The campaign against her was felt all around this space and i think, even before a lot of the regional bans other creators dogged on her in a way that i think was meant to signal to the sites they all use that "We're tooootttally not doing the same thing she's doing." Hence why i said she sorta blew the spot up. Fiona is one of the best actresses in this space and one of the most dedicated. She plays the part, sometimes scarily well and when we're talking about something like AP....I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. She was a victim of her own success, if she really didn't like it the way she seemed to.
I do agree we should focus more on her current content though. She's as good as ever at the content she was making the most of anyways.
Fiona, for better or for worse(mostly for worse) sorta became the face of AP porn for a while. The campaign against her was felt all around this space and i think, even before a lot of the regional bans other creators dogged on her in a way that i think was meant to signal to the sites they all use that "We're tooootttally not doing the same thing she's doing." Hence why i said she sorta blew the spot up. Fiona is one of the best actresses in this space and one of the most dedicated. She plays the part, sometimes scarily well and when we're talking about something like AP....I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. She was a victim of her own success, if she really didn't like it the way she seemed to.
I do agree we should focus more on her current content though. She's as good as ever at the content she was making the most of anyways.
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god this thread is cyclical
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I'm sick of it. It always keeps coming back to these folks writing dissertations and think pieces about Fiona's past content by the same "I think this is wrong because" types of people. I think it better to just unfollow the discussion thread at this point.
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Right it’s like everyone is trying to absolve the fact that they enjoyed her riskier extreme stuff by writing think-pieces
Let’s focus in the new shit guys
Let’s focus in the new shit guys
I hate when discussion forums turn into long form blogs. Just so yall know most of us don't actually give a shit what you think. Got something interesting to share, great! Got updates to share, great!
Otherwise keep your long form brain farts locked away in that gooner brain of yours.
Otherwise keep your long form brain farts locked away in that gooner brain of yours.
eepoLeave:I wouldn't mind seeing some more BG stuff or fuck machine. Something new. Her videos with YourFavMommy is always great. Especially the video where she's a stepdaughter returning home from college or something and immediately stepping through the front door she gets attacked. Brilliant. What's everyone's favourite video and why is it your favourite? I wanna check some out
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Quick Update:
"Sorry guys mama has been super busy the last week! And I have lots of new content coming
hold tight!"
She also teased these pics about an hour ago:
I doubt this is the new highly requested costume she was teasing earlier this month since she did the pregnant nun video last year. This could mean she is playing multiple characters like she did in the video Blessed but I am purely speculating. Her and YFM did release this halloween vid a few days ago:
*Outfit from vid above
"Sorry guys mama has been super busy the last week! And I have lots of new content coming
hold tight!"She also teased these pics about an hour ago:
I doubt this is the new highly requested costume she was teasing earlier this month since she did the pregnant nun video last year. This could mean she is playing multiple characters like she did in the video Blessed but I am purely speculating. Her and YFM did release this halloween vid a few days ago:
*Outfit from vid above
Xev, Bettie, Tara ..all of them have implied content. And in specific videos, i would say that is even explicit (Bettie had content banned in this forum because she also used a doll on one video).
But the thing on Fiona is that i believe that she was very naive and promoted herself in such way that was unsustainable to any plataform to accept that type of content being the cornerstone of a performer. Her thing was "i'm too extreme for OnlyFans". Also, the names of videos were way more explicit too. It was a question of time to her being censored since the beginning.
In this genre you have to be subtle like she is being right now.
But the thing on Fiona is that i believe that she was very naive and promoted herself in such way that was unsustainable to any plataform to accept that type of content being the cornerstone of a performer. Her thing was "i'm too extreme for OnlyFans". Also, the names of videos were way more explicit too. It was a question of time to her being censored since the beginning.
In this genre you have to be subtle like she is being right now.
